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Old 10-13-2008, 03:44 AM
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Default Why do people overexaggerate Native American claims to the United States?

NATIVE AMERICANS OWNED THE LAND!!! That was recognized by all colonizing Nations.

Native American land title/ownership was not lost through ?conquest? That's a myth of the American people.

THE LAND WAS LOST as the result of ?FEDERAL POLICIES AND PRACTICES?, "AFTER" the United States declared its self a nation.
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The United States Supreme Court first examined these issues in Johnson v. M'Intosh , 21 U.S. (8 Wheat) 543 (1823). Chief Justice Marshall concluded that the tribes held their lands by "Indian title."'This gave the tribes the right to occupy the land and to retain possession of it. 21 U.S. (8 Wheat) at 574.

However, he also concluded that "discovery" by European governments vested in those governments the "ultimate dominion" in the land subject only to Indian title. Id .

Once the United States was organized and the Constitution adopted, these tribal rights to Indian lands became the exclusive province of the federal law. Indian title, recognized to be only a right of occupancy, was extinguishable only by the United States.

Indian Lands
http://library.findlaw.com/1999/Jan/1/241490.html
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The Jay Treaty, signed in 1794 between Great Britain and the United States also recognized NATIVE AMERICAN LAND RIGHTS.

The Treaty recognized Native Americans "RIGHT" to freely cross the borders. That included the Canadian-US boarder and the US-Mexican border.

It's ?FEDERAL POLICIES AND PRACTICES" that are extinguishing our "RIGHTS"

The Immigration and Nationality Act ("INA") provides special privileges to American Indians born in Canada. INA §289 provides as follows:

Nothing in this title shall be construed to affect the right of American Indians born in Canada to pass the borders of the United States,
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This "RIGHT" has been "AMENDED" to add ---- "but such right shall extend only to persons who possess at least 50 per centum of blood of the American Indian race".

Another "AMENDMENT" changed our "RIGHT" to (freely) "TRADE" to "INVEST" (we have no reason to do that)

It's ?FEDERAL POLICIES" an "AMENDMENTS" that are extinguishing our "RIGHT" to cross the Mexican border.
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The following position on the Border Issue was presented by the Mohawk Women Title Holders on November 7, 2007 at the "Indigenous Peoples Border Summit of the Americas" at Tohono O'odham Nation which is claimed by foreign entities known as Mexico and the U.S.

The corporate colonial franchises known as "Canada", "U.S." and "Mexico" are trying to illegally place physical and destructive restrictions on our movements over our ancestral lands.

Our RIGHTS are being FOUGHT for in the COURTS, and the UNITED NATIONS

You think you have more rights to OUR LAND. Well ?YOUR WRONG?.
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Statement like this are BS a another MYTH of the American People

Natives were all over the "Americas" and had no concept of what a country was
Native Americans NEVER claimed the American territory as theirs
Native Americans didn?t believe land ownership

If you read the speeches of the Chiefs across the Nations they all say ?OUR LAND?

This is an exert from Chief Seattle?s Reply - 1854
One thing we know, which the white man may one day discover, our God is the same God. You may think now that you own Him as you wish to own ?OUR LAND?; but you cannot. He is the God of man; and His compassion is equal for the red man and the white. This earth is precious to Him, and to harm the earth is to heap contempt on its Creator.
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Your Statement

Natives were all over the "Americas"

Yes we were and we had distinct territories. This map defines territories by language.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Langs_N.Amer.png

By European terms a geographical area that contains like people would be called a country
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This is the map of

?Indian Land Areas Judicially Established 1978?
http://www.nps.gov/history/nagpra/DOCUMENTS/ClaimsMAP.htm
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Old 10-13-2008, 03:46 AM
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Default Why do people overexaggerate Native American claims to the United States?

Look, either NO ONE has any claims to ANY country or everyone just needs to stfu about the issue. Because it's not going to change anything either way, it's just rude that people keep demanding that Native people have no claim. Even though they have been here for likely many thousands of years before anyone else and that kinda makes them the Native inhabitants. Especially when we have immigrants who have their children born here and starting in just that one generation they are considered born citizens and 'native' to America.
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